tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post2116245944974779767..comments2024-03-03T06:01:35.285-05:00Comments on Shadow of the Stadium: Fallout From Foster's Memo: Day 2Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-80055212416003576822013-09-12T16:23:19.018-04:002013-09-12T16:23:19.018-04:00? (From what I wrote) Of course not! The Rays aren...? (From what I wrote) Of course not! The Rays aren't the stereotypical big obnoxious wealthy owner that just thought it would be cool to own a team, and had nothing better to spend millions of his billions on, then let some "yes-men" run his team into the ground. Stu is financial elitist from Goldman Sachs, along w/ Matt Silverman, you add another smart financial analyst from Bear Sterns in Andrew Friedman, and a Joe Maddon that been in ALL aspects of baseball since the 70's, including running all of Anaheim's minor league system which helps today's Rays. I know you know all this, but I believe if were talking about building a park, the Rays aren't going to let Billy or possibly the lack of public financing get in their way, that's what dumb front offices do like the Marlins & Bucs, which is the same reason you & other media likes to get all worked up these days before yinz even hear the real details...<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-11762223892546878272013-09-12T16:21:01.226-04:002013-09-12T16:21:01.226-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-29458934441470080992013-09-12T05:48:34.892-04:002013-09-12T05:48:34.892-04:00"I believe through all their data through all..."I believe through all their data through all the homework they done they know what the revenues will look like in 2025."<br /><br />Do you believe the Rays when they say they have no idea what kind of new revenues a new stadium would bring?Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-33131685614025804442013-09-12T01:48:43.446-04:002013-09-12T01:48:43.446-04:00I agree it depends on "Price", David Pri...I agree it depends on "Price", David Price that is (lol), and his contract. Though really $ will only dictate the length of when Tampa WILL start profiting, maybe 10 years opposed to 5, or 15 opposed to 10? Though let's keep it real, Tampa wants the Rays as much as the Rays want to be in Tampa! I believe through all their data through all the homework they done they know what the revenues will look like in 2025, it's how they won the 2nd most games in the Majors over the last 6 years with one of the lowest payrolls. Of course they're not throwing out numbers for people like you in the media to twist in a negative manner, like selling cars, it's the salesmen's job to "get a commitment without giving one"...<br />See it's stuff like that that is the difference why people like Stu, Matt, Andrew, Jeff, etc. are who they are, and to sell them short as if they have the intelligence of most of the dumb criminals your used to reporting on is where your swinging and missing, their playing chess, and you think their playing checkers...<br />As for "Foster & Pinellas", I find it hard to believe in your defense of them helping the elephant in the room. But, I'll take your word for it, I'll assume your not assuming just to go against my view. Though, IF true, those things are things they could do only because of the Rays like funneling funds to maintain the Trop, and marketing...<br />Like I mentioned earlier, who care's about the citizens of St.Pete, the Rays helped St.Pete & Pinellas make way more money then they could of thought 20 years ago, when playing Major League Baseball in St.Pete was a pipe-dream, BUT Stu did sign a contract knowing his best bet was to move the Rays to Tampa...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-36845816226268578562013-09-12T01:21:01.671-04:002013-09-12T01:21:01.671-04:00Well, everything depends on Pinellas county's ...Well, everything depends on Pinellas county's road block. I think most of the details of what it's going to take to start playing baseball in a new ballpark in Tampa's Channelside (where the ConAgra Foods plant is) is already worked out behind the scenes. It's hard though because Stu signed the contract w/ Pinellas, but his Rays helped St.Pete make way more money then they could of thought 20 years ago, so it's easy to understand both sides of the argument. But, if I had to pick a time, I'd say they'll get the ok to "come out of the closet" with the details about a ballaprk in Tampa this off season, I think they'll settle things with Pinellas during next season, start getting the ball rolling in Channelside the following off season, and play their first game in the new ballpark in 2018...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-21378923590019927582013-09-11T20:11:58.183-04:002013-09-11T20:11:58.183-04:00"If Tampa could prosper with the Rays" -..."If Tampa could prosper with the Rays" - that's a gigantic "if." It all depends on the price...and since the Rays are the ones who want a new stadium, maybe they should be the ones who propose a rough budget for a new stadium? They've refused to talk how much they'd contribute since 2008.<br /><br />As for Foster & St. Pete, they've has spent some marketing dollars for the Rays, maintained the Trop, and facilitated with local businesses to encourage ticket-buying. But hard to quantify any of it.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-7855972424131935662013-09-11T19:01:43.397-04:002013-09-11T19:01:43.397-04:00B dufala. When you think they will get new stadium...B dufala. When you think they will get new stadiumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-47009800223720973882013-09-11T17:58:02.638-04:002013-09-11T17:58:02.638-04:00I'm still wondering if anyone can say 1 thing ...I'm still wondering if anyone can say 1 thing Billy has done to help the Rays progress?! We know we can about Bob!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-74083196739492080582013-09-11T15:52:40.896-04:002013-09-11T15:52:40.896-04:00I understand that, but if Tampa could prosper with...I understand that, but if Tampa could prosper with the Rays in the their backyard making more money then in St.Pete, where's the wrong in that? Besides, NO one has asked anyone to "write a check", we assume it for the drama aspect, but we have to put one foot in front of the other...<br />Also, there's much more to it! You also have to ask "is it worth the possible investment", and "is there other alternatives"...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-30428638478608351832013-09-11T07:53:51.457-04:002013-09-11T07:53:51.457-04:00Except they are all making a lot of money. And th...Except they are all making a lot of money. And the taxpayers are being asked to write a check.<br /><br />It's my job - and other journalists' jobs - to ask important questions, like "how much should we be paying when there's no evidence yet its necessary?"Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-26871564984775287712013-09-11T00:24:25.675-04:002013-09-11T00:24:25.675-04:00The issue is the purpose of this blog, and it'...The issue is the purpose of this blog, and it's our understanding that the Rays are profitable, but it's like ballplayers, yah you might be better at playing your sport then 99.9% of the worlds population, but if your not better then most of the players in your league, your out!<br />All I'm saying is that if you want to be the "watchdog", it's only fair to your readers, and the citizens of Tampa Bay that both sides of the coin are shown opposed to assuming it's a bad situation. I'm assuming though Bud, Stu, Bob, the city of Tampa, and a lot of their silent partners "aren't happy" because Billy's administration is holding them back from making a lot of money. You'd be unhappy as well... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-66081075046940998862013-09-10T18:17:39.989-04:002013-09-10T18:17:39.989-04:00Except bail is seldom set at $600M.Except bail is seldom set at $600M.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-20599167156813749192013-09-10T18:10:18.466-04:002013-09-10T18:10:18.466-04:00You criticize "no real solutions to the issue...You criticize "no real solutions to the issue," but what issue? The Rays and MLB both turning profits? <br /><br />As a watchdog, it's my job to point out we haven't really identified "an issue" other than Bud Selig and Stu Sternberg aren't happy.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-64037420947542716702013-09-10T00:38:19.436-04:002013-09-10T00:38:19.436-04:00It's great to know Noah gets his information t...It's great to know Noah gets his information that he post from actual representatives of the Rays & Hillsborough co., and isn't "assuming" cost & who will pay for what, lol...<br />And if Hillsborough co. feels like they'll profit more money by doing what they need to do to get the Rays then letting them sit in Pinellas, then maybe they have "economist" that backs the possibility opposed to "assuming". If I owned a business in Hillsborough county, and had an employee sitting in jail in Pinellas for something dumb, and I was set to make more money by bailing him out, and getting back to work for me opposed to waiting on him, and letting business get backed up then I'm calling a bail bondsmen. Wouldn't you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-9067370979242564412013-09-09T15:55:46.954-04:002013-09-09T15:55:46.954-04:00LOL, I see you got a new friend Noah, Scott "...LOL, I see you got a new friend Noah, Scott "the parrot" Myers! "the parrot" because he seems to basically repeat everything you say w/ the "NO" w/ no real solutions to the issue. You guys are funny, like the mature adult laughing at the kid throwing a tantrum saying "NO! I'm not going to!" w/ his arms crossed & tears in his eyes. Though if Scott repeats Noah, and Noah just repeats from articles written by people like TBT & TBO, then who do they repeat? Oha, they actually do the "investigating". And if Noah makes money from saying the same thing others say, and gets paid to from the lil' advertising on this blog, then isn't that the same as "revenue sharing"?<br />One of these I hope to see a posted article that (Noah) interviewed a ballpark builder, or a local developer, or anyone that could shed some light on the "shadow" casted by opinions & assuming...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-38799621820174370642013-09-08T13:15:15.937-04:002013-09-08T13:15:15.937-04:00Yeah, there's just no money for a new stadium ...Yeah, there's just no money for a new stadium right now. <br /><br />And what changed that made St. Pete "no longer feasible" for baseball? You could argue it never has been, but then why did MLB choose to put a franchise there?Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-10264905600893470442013-09-08T11:10:05.488-04:002013-09-08T11:10:05.488-04:00Well mlb told them not to build the trop anyways. ...Well mlb told them not to build the trop anyways. They should pay the city the bonds of the stadium. As st<br />pete also should be looking for developers and busines to buy parts or all of the land. Heck try to pull in someone to build a casino hotel or a college/university. I find Foster is holding up progress due to sour grapes. This could be an chance for both communities to growth. Foster wants taxpayer interest protected. Well the city can move with times or get out of the way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-34586955793759950122013-09-08T08:55:01.265-04:002013-09-08T08:55:01.265-04:00Anonymous,
Who is 'them' that are going t...Anonymous,<br /><br />Who is 'them' that are going to build the beautiful ballpark? And is that the same 'them' that is going to pay for the beautiful ballpark?<br /><br />Who is 'them' that are going to pay off the bonds?<br /><br />And when push comes to shove, I am sure it will not be as simple as just paying off the bonds.scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-63065694671289245762013-09-07T21:37:58.277-04:002013-09-07T21:37:58.277-04:00Why cant you see what an what a great chance for t...Why cant you see what an what a great chance for them to build a beautiful ballpark in tampa bay, You know St.Pete is most likely asking for too much. Let them pay off the bonds. Lets support a new stadium. Foster knows that st.pete is no longer feasible for baseball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-76388173213895720122013-09-07T18:54:36.695-04:002013-09-07T18:54:36.695-04:00Whether Hillsborough's $300M (or whatever) wen...Whether Hillsborough's $300M (or whatever) went to paying St. Pete and building the foundation of a stadium...or it went toward buying land and building the foundation of a stadium is irrelevant.<br /><br />The Rays/MLB will only contribute so much, so the bottom-line cost of a new stadium will include things like repairations.<br /><br />Anyone who pays for any of a new park is going to be paying a share of all costs.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-15123030739537933772013-09-07T17:20:26.577-04:002013-09-07T17:20:26.577-04:00Well MS Anonymous, maybe we will see posts from yo...Well MS Anonymous, maybe we will see posts from you in the future identified as 'Jennifer'scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-82912728664494195322013-09-07T15:42:02.457-04:002013-09-07T15:42:02.457-04:00Jennifer.Jennifer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-68832462550013335922013-09-07T14:56:13.207-04:002013-09-07T14:56:13.207-04:00MR/MS Anonymous.
No I am not.
Where are you from...MR/MS Anonymous.<br /><br />No I am not.<br /><br />Where are you from?<br /><br />Do you have a name?scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-28570163041040430512013-09-07T13:56:39.396-04:002013-09-07T13:56:39.396-04:00Are you from st.pete scott?Are you from st.pete scott?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-10060693083165791732013-09-07T12:26:03.585-04:002013-09-07T12:26:03.585-04:00Regarding:
"Hagan, who once said he didn'...Regarding:<br />"Hagan, who once said he didn't support any public money going toward a stadium, also told the Trib he was opposed to Hillsborough County compensating St. Pete for the early termination of their Rays contract."<br /><br />How sad that there is even the conscious thought of Hillsborough County compensating St. Pete. If the Rays contract is broken, then it is up to the Rays/MLB to do the compensating!scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.com