tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post3337991520826557751..comments2024-03-03T06:01:35.285-05:00Comments on Shadow of the Stadium: Read of the Week: Lightning Prove Again the Value of Sports to TampaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-51699867571641059202015-06-23T11:26:38.583-04:002015-06-23T11:26:38.583-04:00If I bump into one more UF/FSU/USF grad waiting ta...If I bump into one more UF/FSU/USF grad waiting tables at some new "high-end" local restaurant or waiting to inherit his dad's car dealership, I will put my face through a cinderblock. The expectations are just so different elsewhere in the country. The best of the best are competing--not just nationally, but internationally--to be difference makers in their chosen fields. Florida is laid-back, which--like Greece or Spain--is great for appealing to vacationers. But my god, the state could use some of the drive and edge that is commonplace in the truly competitive parts of the country. The State of Florida, leader in.... citrus (agro), sugar (agro), and beaches? What century are we in? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-75411226627177252622015-06-22T15:44:23.521-04:002015-06-22T15:44:23.521-04:00This is a hell of a good question/point of view. A...This is a hell of a good question/point of view. And a broad debate on this topic (and others like mass transportation) must start soon rather than a workshop on how to develop or not develop the Tropicana site, which did not help anyone on St-Pete vision for the next 15-25 years.<br /><br />Baseball (and other major sports) should be an added-value to a vibrant economic market with companies, head offices, workers, families, ... Right now it's the opposite. Let's built a stadium, let's wait at least one generation (to have more fans that will attend games) and the vitality of the Rays/MLB will be beneficial for the community.<br /><br />Doesn't make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-25515154382752848042015-06-22T09:56:50.740-04:002015-06-22T09:56:50.740-04:00So Tampa or St. Pete should build a new MLB stadiu...So Tampa or St. Pete should build a new MLB stadium in order to draw more Canadian tourists/snowbirds just like Dunedin? Should our aspirations not be higher?<br /><br />Okay, I give up. Florida is probably doomed to another 100 years of being just a place where wealthy people from somewhere else vacation/retire. Low wage hospitality jobs have gotten us this far, right? We should be more interested in attracting and retaining smart people in their 30s to come here and start businesses, raise families, and generate locally grown wealth. Baseball's presence here shouldn't be a subsidy to refurbish God's Waiting Room.<br /><br />In 16 years, per capita GDP in Florida has grown just 6%. That number would be embarrassing in places where the people are educated enough to understand its implications. We need real growth, broad growth, not more retirees gobbling social services. The smartest people in the country don't graduate and rush to Florida. They go to NYC, DC, Boston, Chicago, Palo Alto, Austin, Nashville, Atlanta, Portland, Seattle. And they certainly don't make their decisions based on baseball. Florida should recruit from the front of the next generation not the end of the last generation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-16785291497408118992015-06-22T08:42:56.858-04:002015-06-22T08:42:56.858-04:00^^ a good way to do that is to *not* resort to nam...^^ a good way to do that is to *not* resort to name-calling, Dufala.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-61471541172164420332015-06-21T18:39:06.224-04:002015-06-21T18:39:06.224-04:00regardless, they still went, and even though peopl...regardless, they still went, and even though people will come to Florida to go to Orlando, they still make time to drive down i4 to come here to come to games... #factsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-16469665427843290282015-06-21T18:36:20.145-04:002015-06-21T18:36:20.145-04:00Though agree or not with the info, we should still...Though agree or not with the info, we should still have a lot of respect for NO'ah's hard work & efforts...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-67146665791025498002015-06-21T18:34:30.552-04:002015-06-21T18:34:30.552-04:00The part is that it DOESN'T collect ALL the st...The part is that it DOESN'T collect ALL the stadium info, just the parts that NO'ah agrees with... lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-25605406941074877392015-06-21T13:28:47.992-04:002015-06-21T13:28:47.992-04:00Just want to thank you for all your hard work in p...Just want to thank you for all your hard work in putting this blog site together - naysayers and rude ones aside - I think collecting all the stadium info here is a great way to prevent some revisionist history<br /><br />-VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-49627736274595927792015-06-21T13:18:08.816-04:002015-06-21T13:18:08.816-04:00Sadly, a lot of people hide under the cover of ano...Sadly, a lot of people hide under the cover of anonymity here.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-58744692822542263292015-06-21T00:56:45.592-04:002015-06-21T00:56:45.592-04:00No one asked you to come by the comments section.....No one asked you to come by the comments section...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-30627553028312078052015-06-20T22:12:04.585-04:002015-06-20T22:12:04.585-04:00This place is beginning to become a bit toxic.This place is beginning to become a bit toxic.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-16440604485980263592015-06-20T21:04:05.752-04:002015-06-20T21:04:05.752-04:00Kos planned his trip to see recent New York transp...Kos planned his trip to see recent New York transplants and Dunedin residents Joanne and Lou Ross after securing tickets to Sunday’s game against the Blue Jays, but the dedication wouldn’t be there if his team moved spring training to Arizona, he said. Even among other Florida spring training spots, Tampa wins out simply for the fishing.<br /><br />See... OTHER motivating factors.... baseball is just a bonus! <br /><br />Idiot!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-38009344994471173732015-06-20T21:02:56.872-04:002015-06-20T21:02:56.872-04:00"The Blue Jays draw thousands of visitors to ..."The Blue Jays draw thousands of visitors to Dunedin, including a huge Canadian population that will often stay for two to four months"<br /><br />VACATION is not the same thing as a permanent move! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-70655356370910554492015-06-20T21:01:32.077-04:002015-06-20T21:01:32.077-04:00yes YOU are... for one, trying to equate spring tr...yes YOU are... for one, trying to equate spring training games with the majors..... and secondly, did you even read the article? "This is our first time coming to Dunedin for a game, but the weather was a big motivator" ... In other words, they came down here bc of the weather..... That's why spring training is held in FL and Arizona.... and it's a part time vacation move. Not permanent.... !<br /><br />Let's see how many people from Tampa will relocate to Montreal when the Rays move!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-30910397893466301692015-06-20T20:18:10.762-04:002015-06-20T20:18:10.762-04:00http://tbo.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140302...http://tbo.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140302/ARTICLE/140309842&template=printart<br /><br />"Such an exodus would be a blow to the many Canadian "snowbirds" who have purchased condos and homes in Dunedin to follow their favorite team. But city officials are mobilizing a promotional campaign to draw another team if the Jays fly away. Business leaders, quoted by the Tampa Bay Times earlier this year, say a spring training site has an economic impact of $30 million to $50 million a year for the surrounding community."<br /><br />"The Jays in 1977 brought along thousands of Canadian fans, many of whom purchased property"<br /><br />I guess we're EVERYONE that knows are idiots(?), lol...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-91526992360751414642015-06-20T15:02:09.761-04:002015-06-20T15:02:09.761-04:00So now you are talking about Dunedin, Fl? You mean...So now you are talking about Dunedin, Fl? You mean people from Canada moved there bc of the Jays' spring training camp? You are an idiot... of course the weather has nothing to do with it.... <br /><br />And even if they did "move" purely on account of the training camp... it's just that.... SPRING TRAINING! Which means the people who moved there aren't ones who have kids in school or have a need to work.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-48228680093705883772015-06-20T11:08:33.884-04:002015-06-20T11:08:33.884-04:00I can't believe you had to ask that Scott. It ...I can't believe you had to ask that Scott. It doesn't take a smart person to know why...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-68095244625609646772015-06-20T11:03:09.134-04:002015-06-20T11:03:09.134-04:00No offense, but to say people don't choose to ...No offense, but to say people don't choose to move somewhere bc of a sports team shows you have NO clue & shouldn't be commenting on something you don't know about...<br />Ask Dunedin how many people from Canada live there bc of the Jays? I rest my case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-79448109763812284642015-06-19T18:32:21.741-04:002015-06-19T18:32:21.741-04:00Yeah, the Lightning thing was a head scratcher for...Yeah, the Lightning thing was a head scratcher for sure. But I suppose if someone was willing to fly in from out of town for a game, they could afford tickets on stubhub. <br /><br />Persoanlly I had a great time coming into Florida last year for a Rays game. We had a wedding to go to in Orlando, so afterwards we rented a car and drove to St Pete. If there was no team in St Pete, we would have just gone to Miami instead. We're doing the same in Chicago this year. Are there more people like me that go places to see new ballparks? Probably, but I'd think that would be the icing on the cake, something that is there, but not counted on to be a significant portion of a team and region's revenue. Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-91758484047056643352015-06-19T17:47:35.285-04:002015-06-19T17:47:35.285-04:00People don't relocate to a city bc there is a ...People don't relocate to a city bc there is a (winning) hockey team - they look for more important things - like basic infrastructure, schools, good quality of living. A pro sports team is a bonus - nothing more. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-71059541733338809792015-06-19T17:45:33.900-04:002015-06-19T17:45:33.900-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-20042615028642791972015-06-19T17:45:07.889-04:002015-06-19T17:45:07.889-04:00Hi Dufala,
You state:
"it's about drawin...Hi Dufala,<br /><br />You state:<br />"it's about drawing thousands of people from outside your area to spend money here, to move here, that buys gas, shirts, food, houses, etc., and pays additional taxes on everything!"<br /><br />The Lightning pro-actively prevented folks from outside FL zip-codes from buying Lightning playoff tickets, thereby reducing revenues for local hotels, restaurants, not to mention local tax revenues.<br /><br />So what is your point?scott myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612909222047091812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-35539287165250232382015-06-19T17:44:37.853-04:002015-06-19T17:44:37.853-04:00Taxes don't entitle you to a free un-attended ...Taxes don't entitle you to a free un-attended stadium... it's basic economics... but then again, maybe they didn't teach you that at your community college<br /><br />And since you care about where I live, I actually live in Clearwater and have a half-season ticket package for the Rays! Which is more than I can say for you.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-65982070198371980472015-06-19T17:40:24.696-04:002015-06-19T17:40:24.696-04:00YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ASSWIPE so enou...YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ASSWIPE so enough of the personal attacks. <br /><br />Staying at home and watching the Rays is not supporting the team one bit! It's called mooching. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-32432803201601451312015-06-19T16:13:11.802-04:002015-06-19T16:13:11.802-04:00The value in the Lightning winning for Tampa is th...The value in the Lightning winning for Tampa is the exposure it gave them to market worldwide Tampa & Channelside as a great place w/ great weather & you can get your hockey on at the same time! Which is great for us because I'm sure it will bring a few more wealthy people to the area that will buy a place, spend their money here, and maybe bring their business...<br />Which is what I been trying to get you people to understand that isn't just the city spending & what they get back in the team paying the loan, it's about drawing thousands of people from outside your area to spend money here, to move here, that buys gas, shirts, food, houses, etc., and pays additional taxes on everything!<br />Brooksville would love to have 10k people coming into to their town 41 or 81 x's a year taking their money from Ocala & spending it in their town, THATS BASIC ECONOMICS...<br />It's why the Dakotas are doing so well, the drillers make their money and pump it back into their towns economy...<br />It's why Clearwater Beach is doing so well, it's how Orlando makes the money to keep building because their the #1 tourist spot, and so on...<br />BUT, it doesn't happen overnight, it takes time, when Tampa makes that "investment", wait until they host the All-Star Game, then things will be rolling for Channelside/Tampa. And to take it to the extreme, ask those around the Cubs or Red Sox or Orioles stadiums how it is, places that been around for a while. Why? Because unlike NOahs "sticker shock", we got to remember that it would be a park that is to be there for generations to come... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17525411555797614762noreply@blogger.com