tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post5256103077272689567..comments2024-03-03T06:01:35.285-05:00Comments on Shadow of the Stadium: Has Foot-Dragging Really Cost St. Pete Leverage in Rays Stadium Saga? Or Created Leverage?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-81515256354876952732015-10-22T14:55:34.904-04:002015-10-22T14:55:34.904-04:00HaHaNoah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-7983671840639799932015-10-22T14:28:06.289-04:002015-10-22T14:28:06.289-04:00Surely St Pete knows that there's a better use...Surely St Pete knows that there's a better use of the Trop site land than the enjoyment of dozens of Rays fans in 2027. <br /><br />While I do so enjoy your unsolicited teachings of law and psychology to overshadow the points I raise, perhaps we could stay on topic. I, for one, would love to know where your confident insight on the Rays languishing at the Trop until 2027 comes from. After all, if everything was set in stone, they probably wouldn't be having a meeting today. Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-17247108525492341022015-10-22T13:59:55.846-04:002015-10-22T13:59:55.846-04:00Incorrect Matt. They will play here until 2027. ...Incorrect Matt. They will play here until 2027. Then they can leave. And everyone will move on. Law stuff. Don't stress about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-42697749592112613062015-10-22T13:56:31.344-04:002015-10-22T13:56:31.344-04:00Does one of those basic definitions appear unrelia...Does one of those basic definitions appear unreliable to you? Which one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-6829836177739951172015-10-22T10:40:22.718-04:002015-10-22T10:40:22.718-04:00I don't pretend to speak for anyone other than...I don't pretend to speak for anyone other than myself. Hence why I asked questions at the end of my story. Not that I ever get answers as there are barely ever local fans on this site. Obviously tourists are not buying season tickets, not should policy be reflected on their purchases. But in your haste to answer rhetorical questions, with unsolicited nitpicking, you overlooked the main message. Something that happens a lot among our many anonymous readers.<br /><br />Nobody ever wants to talk about the elephant in the room. Namely that wins or losses, marketing and giveaways or independent grass-root efforts, have had little to no effect on this market over the last 18 seasons. This is an anomaly. New stadium in St Pete or wherever in Tampa Bay, history indicates that attendance is unlikely to go up. Yes, a shiny new park will "save" the Rays and keep them in Tampa Bay, just like Marlins Park "saved" the Marlins for Miami, and maybe the Rays will be 28th instead of dead last. If nobody thinks a new park will make a difference, and nobody wants to pay for it, and the development could be better used for something else, then why keep the team? The value will go up regardless of what happens on the field, thanks to MLB's strength, but if St Pete isn't benefitting from having them in town, then show them the door. Or just continue to drag this on for another 5 years. Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-60887440708362161592015-10-22T10:38:25.285-04:002015-10-22T10:38:25.285-04:00Another reliable source... Wiki.... what next, tru...Another reliable source... Wiki.... what next, trusting the word of an MLB owner, like Loria? Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-78786973217664260162015-10-22T10:31:38.036-04:002015-10-22T10:31:38.036-04:00Tom, when you sign an agreement and give someone y...Tom, when you sign an agreement and give someone your word and your legally binding commitment to do something, how much do you typically pay to get out of that agreement? I am curious about your personal business experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-65954547589001352912015-10-22T10:17:42.755-04:002015-10-22T10:17:42.755-04:00Anchoring: "the tendency to rely too heavily...Anchoring: "the tendency to rely too heavily, or 'anchor,' on a past reference or on one trait or piece of information when making decisions."<br /><br />Your anecdote is neat. Your economic survey sample has a population of 1 (You). This is not a good way to set public policy. Here's a helpful list of cognitive biases. It can help you identify when your reasoning may be affected by a distorted way of perceiving the world. We can all identify our own reasoning errors, and then do better the next time. <br /><br />http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biasesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-76278193777818538472015-10-22T09:27:03.798-04:002015-10-22T09:27:03.798-04:00But the damages to St Pete will be ASTRONOMICAL if...But the damages to St Pete will be ASTRONOMICAL if the Rays leave!!!<br /><br />It really comes down to if you believe that sports have any affect on local economies. Several studies have indicated otherwise, and sites like this and Field of Schemes would have you believe they don't. In my own personal experience, when I came to Florida for a wedding, we had a few extra days, so in addition to doing touristy stuff in Orlando, we drove to St Pete for a Rays game. If the Rays weren't there, we would have simply driven to Miami instead. While I doubt the money I spent on a hotel room, food, souvenirs, and a plane ticket out of Tampa were very much in the grand scheme of things, it was money that was being spent in St Pete, and not elsewhere. Do other people base their trips on ballparks? Enough to make a difference on a local level? Who knows?<br /><br />Either way, the whole situation is very messy. I just wish we could get a clear message from anyone. For example, if the Rays don't add anything to the local market, and people don't come to games, and the Tropicana site would be better developed for non-baseball projects, then why should the Rays pay to leave the area? Or if the whole Tampa vs. St Pete rivalry is so contentious, and folks from Tampa don't come to games, is it safe to assume that people from St Pete wouldn't come to games if the park was in Tampa? Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-19427982492744945012015-10-22T08:55:38.795-04:002015-10-22T08:55:38.795-04:00Looking forward to the updates Noah... especially ...Looking forward to the updates Noah... especially given the "we are entitled" to exit money" attitude St Pete is exuding. <br /><br />Tomnoreply@blogger.com