tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post2704293935412036304..comments2024-03-03T06:01:35.285-05:00Comments on Shadow of the Stadium: Chamber of Commerce Study: New Stadium Will Require Real Tax CommittmentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-62486580010566091332012-12-02T15:58:59.646-05:002012-12-02T15:58:59.646-05:00Hard Rock is on Native American land and gambling ...Hard Rock is on Native American land and gambling requires state approval. You're right about the political hurdles, but it will be much-debated in the next few years.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-51614905508342839002012-11-30T12:01:39.604-05:002012-11-30T12:01:39.604-05:00Hard Rock casino's in our neighboring county s...Hard Rock casino's in our neighboring county seems to be doing well ... resistance is political ... if Hillsbourgh County can have a casino Pinellas should have that option too ... a casinomight pay for the funding of the new stadium and jobs without taxpayer money ...<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-62203202569831416742012-11-30T09:31:06.624-05:002012-11-30T09:31:06.624-05:00Resort-style casinos aren't legal right now in...Resort-style casinos aren't legal right now in Florida, but that may change in the next few years. Regardless, there may be as much resistance to monster gambling institutions in parts of Florida as there is to taxpayer-funded stadiums.Noah Pranskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341946902034828581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-60515042313604682302012-11-29T12:49:47.484-05:002012-11-29T12:49:47.484-05:00I may have missed this but, Why not include a Casi...I may have missed this but, Why not include a Casino along with a new stadium in Pinellas County. Tax payers would then not be strapped with he additional taxes to build this facility. It would bring more people to the area and be used when the teams are not in town. It would also create jobs that would last year round. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-78179265597737303902012-11-27T13:23:06.415-05:002012-11-27T13:23:06.415-05:00LOL, I, like most others, are happy NOT to be lik...LOL, I, like most others, are happy NOT to be like or think like you. And, I, like most, would disagree with most of argument. Do you really think St. Pete and Tampa is putting up a fight to house a professional sports franchise to LOSE money? LOL, of course you do. Though no one is ever going change a degressive's glass-half-empty's mind, let me at least leave you with some literature...<br /><br />**From the port of a bay area to the port of a bay area ---> http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_6326258<br /><br />Bottom line is regardless of spending money to house a sports team, OR not see the value in waiting a decade or so to recoup that same money, having Major League's Tampa Bay Rays play over 80 games a year, mainly during our long hot summer days, along with enjoying world class entertainment with over 30k of your neighbors, PRICELESS...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-41717833410005689962012-11-26T16:17:59.791-05:002012-11-26T16:17:59.791-05:00Again - apparently you have a tough time with fact...Again - apparently you have a tough time with facts and real concrete figures that disprove all your sloppy talking points. There's no (as in ZERO) proof from any non-MLB-enacted study that would hold up any of your empty talking points. <br /><br />There's no economic boom in any area that accompanies the construction of a stadium. The truth is about as far from that as you can possibly get. With numerous new stadiums, there's usually a public seizure of property, followed by the negative ramifications of long-term construction, then having drunken fans stomping through your neighborhood intermittently. These stadiums try to sell/feed fans for every last dollar, so it's unlikely they're going to go out and spend more money in the local neighborhood. And I seriously doubt anyone is clamoring to live and commute out of an area like this. <br /><br />Nor is there some huge hiring spree that accompanies a team settling into town. There's a very small front office staff and out of state players/owners who aren't the huge lucrative taxbase you're predicting. Unless you think hotdog vendors, and parking attendants are getting 6-figure salaries. Besides all of which - the HUGE tax-breaks the stadiums receive makes any minor bump in tax revenue irrelevant. <br /><br />All you're doing is swallowing the same BS that every team tries to dangle in front of fans to get tons of public financing at the cost of public services for the rest of the county. The owners make tons of noise and threats to leave, but there's precious few cities who could support a $500+ million dollar project. Maybe you should look at the poor performance and negative impact of recent new stadiums like Barlay Center, the Nationals park, or the Miami stadium boondoggle. All that money and now nothing left to show for it but a lousy minor-league team. Better yet - look at the wonderful NHL stadium in Channelside. How much "economic impact" do you get when a cartel of greedy owners shut down the whole season? <br /><br />Compared to the pennies those venues make for non-league events (which I'm sure owners get a taste of), it's a poor, facile argument for wasting more of our public money. <br />Paulushttp://paulusgreitsch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-56494527814678120832012-11-21T14:43:42.548-05:002012-11-21T14:43:42.548-05:00Paul- LOL, it's "nice of you to regurgita...Paul- LOL, it's "nice of you to regurgitate all the tired old arguments", BUT if you don't like your taxes invested for a better future, small towns like Brooksville, or maybe Bartow might suit you better. The Tampa Bay Rays isn't a "small" business. They employ hundreds of wealthy people, including bringing 1000's of other taxed jobs with'em. Plus, I'm sorry you don't understand the economic impact a professional sports team has in a community. Why? Well, let's just say Tampa wouldn't of hosted a couple of small events like Super Bowls, and Republican NC. Also, ask other people outside of Tampa (like in Foxboro, San Fran, LA, Denver, etc.) if it "sprouts" other businesses around the stadiums, though being a degressive, you might not like there answer, not including the spike in real estate values around Channelside. OR let's just say "there's a reason why city's fight to have a Pro team play there"(like how St. Pete and Tampa is)...<br />"Second of all", I'm not saying the people of Tampa wouldn't spend there money anyways, though I, like most, know that the attraction of people from Orlando, Pasco, Hernando, Ocala, Lakeland, etc. wouldn't spend there money in Tampa if there wasn't a Major League game to come to town to see. And, most people go games for less then $50, and those that spend over $150, usually has more money to spend...<br />Regardless, it's not your taxes, it's luxury taxes, that will either be used to pave a couple roads in SE Hillsborough co. OR be used as an investment for generations to come, though it's doesn't matter to you, because you'll be living in Inverness by then...<br />BeazyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-71091319290464778592012-11-21T10:03:33.412-05:002012-11-21T10:03:33.412-05:00Beazy - nice of you to regurgitate all the tired o...Beazy - nice of you to regurgitate all the tired old arguments for handing out hundreds of millions of public dollars to enrich a small private group.<br /><br />The economic impact of stadiums is GROSSLY overstated. There hasn't been a single independent study showing this to be true. If you want real proof, go look at all the "sprouting" business and infrastructure around the current stadium, or Raymond James or any number of other stadiums. <br /><br />Second of all, you're incorrectly in assuming that if we dont lavish a new stadium on the Rays, people won't go out and spend their money. I suggest that's as far from the truth as possible. Lower taxes means more people have money to spend when in town. And if you're spending $150 to park, see the game and get a crappy slice of pizza, it's pretty unlikely you're going to stroll out of the park and look to spend more money. Instead you're going to head home after they shake the money out of you. <br /><br />Please wake up and research all your tired talking points. <br /><br /><br /><br />Paulushttp://paulusgreitsch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-70280949622563470272012-11-20T14:39:25.557-05:002012-11-20T14:39:25.557-05:00It's an investment toward Tampa's future. ...It's an investment toward Tampa's future. A new ball park in Tampa sprouts more business owners, brings more people from outside of town that come to spend more money, more millionaires living around town spending money and volunteering, with the park hosting other events, concerts, and an All-Star game, AND all which will bring more tax revenue then spent on a new ball park! Also, let's not forget the aspect of having a place for our community to come together to cheer on our world class athletes while with our families on warm summer evenings for generations to come...<br />BeazyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-44633631733997873562012-11-20T11:07:46.111-05:002012-11-20T11:07:46.111-05:00I do wonder why it looks like the chambers of comm...I do wonder why it looks like the chambers of commerce pushed on public-funding via taxes rather than looking for ways to raise private funds. Relying on public funding for what will be a privately-owned structure for a specialized purpose (baseball) seems a waste.<br /><br />Oh, and for the anonymous guy up at the first post: I believe the bay area needs some form of light rail transit. We're one of the largest metros in the nation WITHOUT one, and we've got way too much g-dd-mn car traffic around here. Anything to connect our major points of business/activity - beaches to stadiums to airports to theme parks to colleges to downtowns - would help.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967947720465720504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-5939164222954740432012-11-20T10:24:01.258-05:002012-11-20T10:24:01.258-05:00So, was there any one on the board who *ISN'T*...So, was there any one on the board who *ISN'T* a moron? <br /><br />This Sykes guy wants to rush rush rush - spend all that future money because the MLB is going to contract any day now! It's hard to believe these dolts can get their shoes on the right foot in the morning. <br /><br />Did they ask to see ANY of the Ray's finances? <br />Do they have ANY proof to back up these alarmist claims? <br />Did they have anyone there (other than you Noah) to refute all the lofty nonsense that these new stadiums supposedly bring?<br /><br />Every time I read about one of these stupid community leader groupthink meetings, i feel like it's time to fire up the grassroots protest machine and get mobilized to shoot down the coming attempted theft from the public. <br />Paulushttp://paulusgreitsch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1021348172235346593.post-71028043717443413832012-11-20T07:17:23.971-05:002012-11-20T07:17:23.971-05:00Let private enterprise fund a stadium not taxpayer...Let private enterprise fund a stadium not taxpayers. The same folks pushing rail boondoggles want a taxpayer funded stadium that subsidizes the owners. Income taxes going up, payroll taxes going up and Obamacare taxes about to hit with higher healthcare costs - taxpayers don't' want to pay for a stadium too - let the private sector go get their own venture capital, take the risk and "build" it themselves. Just look at the mess with the Marlins and the new stadium in Miami...http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/11/14/1186741/the-miami-marlins-and-corporate-sports-cronyism/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com